what to di with really bad scale rot

ember · Jun fifteen, 2007

I have taken in a yearling female ball python that has seriously the worst scale rot I have e'er personally seen. She was bought from a HORRIBLE shop here in town by a dad and his 5 year old son, outset time pet owners. They take merely had her 3 weeks, and the concluding week she has been in a vet office (a CLUELESS vet that has been treating this as a "burn down as issue from using an under tank heater". They were using a UTH fabricated for reptiles and used in the proper way... The vet blamed them and the family has been heart broken. They did not know that ball pythons were not supposed to take brown flaky bellies when they bought her, and they brought her into the vet considering her "belly was splitting open up". In person it is really easy to tell that it is scale rot. The inner lining is covered in a white cream (hence the distorted appearance in the photo). The history is non clear, so there may be burned tissue there every bit well, but there is OBVIOUS scale rot.

She has, for the last calendar week, been getting daily baytril injections and topical burn cream, and daily soaks...

So, what should I be treating her with topically?
Should I keep with the full run of baytril?
I accept her on paper towel right now (in the laundry room, quarantined) with a heat lamp...
No more daily soaking... What should I be doing, though?
I am serious, this is BAD scale rot. She besides has a lot of retained shed....
Her dorsum terminate is stiff and she is non moving it.
She was tube fed while at the vet... I am upset that through all of this, the vet was force feeding her (she is not under weight or noticeably dehydrated).

How practice I keep this snake alive long enough for her to recover?

I accept her quarantined in a closed off laundry room. It is depression traffic, as well. I have been using gloves when handling her or any of her stuff, then throwing the gloves away and washing my hands in hot water with antibacterial soap. I don't want to risk anything in case there is more going on that husbandry issues causing infection and rot. She may make it... lord knows we have a few that I was sure I would stop up putting to sleep or that I would wake up to find dead... merely she very well may Not go far. Information technology does not look promising, that is for sure!

Mushroom Spore

Oh my GOD. There are and so many things about this mail service that make me run around in circles.

I hope she makes it!

She *will* need soaks to get the retained sheds off. Even so, at least 1 of her eyes looks clear (tin't see the other i in pics), so you should probably wait and bargain with the calibration rot first.

The best I tin can find is that you can *temporarily* help the problem with applying betadine to the expanse, simply you'll have to go to a vet (hopefully a better i, ugh) to get the proper medications (antibiotics? I think information technology'due south a fungal infection) to actually knock information technology out. The mail wasn't articulate and I'm tired, mayhap that's what you're doing already. (Another identify I found says that simply continually treating the area with betadine is fine, but they aren't discussing cases THIS severe, so accept that with a grain of salt.)

Here's a domicile remedy for skin problems, simply he does say he doesn't utilise it for deep open up injuries, so I don't know: http://redtailboa.net/forums/132253-post4.html

I would go along her on just paper or the paper towels, but the problem with oestrus lamps is that they REALLY impale the humidity in a tank. While you do want her body dry out, low humidity could bring on a respiratory infection, which is the last thing she tin can handle right at present I'm sure.

How much of the back finish is stiff? Information technology sounds almost like some kind of spinal injury, or maybe, god relieve us, she might be eggbound too, if she really is a she. Has she had x-rays?

Provided there isn't some kind of fatal spinal injury, and she isn't eggbound (although even that could be fixed if caught in fourth dimension), I see no reason why she shouldn't HOPEFULLY make it.

EDIT: Also, I have read that even scale rot can be EXTREMELY contagious, and then even if that's all information technology is, quarantine is a good idea.

C.S

Outset thing is to get rid of the heat lamp and apply an heat pad or nether tank heater...[near snakes , BP'south included , are nocturnal and stress nether the glare of lights....Paper towel is great choice in treating this.
Treatment- iii times daily apply a proficient triple biotic polysporin.
Rub the foam direct onto the scales and be vigalint....use a q-tip to apply foam between the belly scales..then later on the entire belly has been coated place into a rubbermaid [with hot side around 90 -cool side low lxxx's].
Practice NOT Accept A WATER DISH Within THE RUBBERMAID.....
You want to keep her/him completely dry out....offer h2o a few times daily BUT exercise not leave inside the enclosure...
Repeat treatment [like mentioned in a higher place ] 2-three times daily , go on it dry and everytime you treat the BP be sure to change the newspaper towels..You desire to proceed the enclosure as Clean and Dry out equally possible.
Subsequently a calendar week of treatments you can put a smaller water dish in with information technology..[ be certain information technology is minor and sturdy] you don't want it getting tipped over OR the BP to soak in it.]

mindlessvw

i recommend(and typically e'er recommend) a vet...they will have special antibiotics and particular medications for soaking that volition assist...i really recommend you either go to a vet or you could try a ball python forum...kingsnake.com is a skilful place to get some info...merely really i would say a vet

Bigboy

That needs to be taken to a vet who has experience working with herps. "Scale Rot" is as ambiguous term as "Oral fissure Rot" and information technology can exist a number of things. Information technology could have originally been from a burn or simply from being kept in septic conditions, or information technology could even have been transmitted past the snake mite Ophionyssus natricis (that said, it is of import to proceed her quarantined). The pathogen can be 1 of a myriad of organisms that tin can cause diseases that await like the i pictured. First and foremost, you could be looking at a bacterial infection. When at the Vet'due south office you lot should ask them to perform gram stains for the presence of both gram negative and positive leaner. They are adequately inexpensive but are also very important tools for diagnosis. You could also be looking at a fungal infection. Most probable some course of fungal dermatitis. A biopsy of the afflicted tissue would be a very good fashion to determine this. Regardless of what information technology is, in that location are bound to be secondary infections present in something that looks that bad and treatment is going to be prudent. And don't remove the heat lamps or lights, use them in conjunction with heating pads. Total darkness or gloom is never a salubrious option.

Mushroom Spore

Total darkness or gloom is never a healthy option.

Even for a nocturnal species? :?

Bigboy · Jun 17, 2007

Yes, though odd that may seem. A deficiency of UV calorie-free, especially UVB, or low-cal in the 290 to 320 nm range often results in metabolic bone disease of nutritional origin (Mader, 2006). Information technology is of import not to misfile a nocturnal animal with one that is a troglodyte or fossorial. Present hypothesis shows that inappropriate photoperiod and temperature fluctuations result in repeated reproductive failure equally a result of abnormal vitellogenesis, with chronic reabsorbtion of yolk and ultimately ovarian granulomas or tumors (Mader, 2006). Simply considering an beast is genetically programed to be active during the night does not mean that it should be without a daylight cycle in captivity. Those animals that are normally inactive and anorectic during the winter months may go on eating when exposed to the same photoperiod , even though their metabolism is lower because of the ambient temperature reduction, resulting in obesity (Mader, 2006).

A proficient book is a wonderful affair. I strongly recommend this one to anyone who is serious well-nigh herps. It is practically the word of god in modern reptilian veterinary medicine. Pm me if you want more than info.

ember

Hey! I have been Busy (with her, and with our other animals in full general), and I will sit down downwardly and write out a good response to this thread... Only I just want to clarify up front that this ophidian HAS been to a vet, and stayed there for several days. I am not just doing this "bath cabinet" doctor style with internet assistance. Granted, I am very concerned that the vet did not do a good job, and instead of saying "I am not experienced with snakes, hither is a reference to someone that is" they did piffling, charged a lot, and gave limited communication. Through our local herp guild I have a recommendation for a improve vet, simply I wanted to analyze, she HAS been to a vet.

Bigboy

Oh boy do I ever know most how difficult information technology can be to detect a practiced vet on your own. You lot're very fortunate to accept a handy local herp club in the area.

what to di with really bad scale rot

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